cant find anything deep enough for mine at the heel is there a neutral version of the Brooks GTS5 Radius perhaps?

GB - what kind of orthotics do you have? Mr D used to have some horrendous ones made by an NHS podiatrist and had the same problem as you. He went and paid to get some softer ones made and the problem disappeared!

I wear orthoces and have no real problems with my shoes. I tend to only wear Asics though and have tried Kayano's, 2100's and DS Trainers with them (I know none of these are neutral shoes, but I've found it works for me!).

My orthoces have evolved from just being a heel section (and having to wear an insole with them) to integrating the heel section with other types of EVA to make a combined othotic and insole which are now very good.

Debbo, my gf used to be an NHS podiatrist and she actually thought the ones I got privately at first were not great quality, until I had the other parts added, which made them more upto her standards. I went private for this, she no longer works as a podiatrist so she couldn't do these for me.

I've used mine with lots of Neutral shoes and never had a problem. I still like to put the insole over the orthtic to prevent blisters but know others that don't.
Saucony Trigons have been my shoe of choice for a while.

Then I'd go to a running shop...and try on lots of shoes!

9 pairs last weekend

Try the Brooks Dyad. Nice and deep for orthotic wearers

I did try the Dyad it was like wearing a crate and 3 pairs of Mizunos NB 835,1050 and Saucony Jazz,Asics Nimbus and cumulus

Will try the Brooks Radius they seem ok

fingers crossed

The Brooks Radius is a neutral shoe, and like some of the members below we would usually
recommend a neutral shoe to wear with an orthotic. A podiatrist would
normally make an orthotic to work off a 'neutral' base. Stability shoes
or Motion Control shoes are built with some form of support and can
therefore be counter productive to what the orthotic is trying to achieve. Another
Brooks shoe you could try are the Glycerin 4. You should always consult a specialist running store when buying running shoes - and don't forget to take your othotics to the store when you are trying new shoes!