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Old 27th May 08, 09:40 AM
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Is this Friday's 5k on the same course? or a less undulating one?

19:40 is quite an achieveable target based on your last time, though in reality 20 seconds could be made up or lost just on something as simple as what/when your breakfast was, or when you last took a dump! ... Sorry, I guess that could quite easily be mis-interpreted... what I mean is that if if you ran as hard as you physically could for two 5k's on teh same course, if everything comes together for you in terms of weather and how you feel etc, you'll smash whatever time you'd manage if you had a bad day - regardless of what your percieved effort level is!

Aim for 19mins, don't expect to manage it, but just get as close as you can ;¬) perhaps pace yourself for 19:30 and pick up the pace if you feel able?

I've been reading into training for shorter distances a LOT while i've been off, and have decided myself to concentrate on shorter distances... the general thing I've picked up (and it sounds pretty basic) is that to get a good 10km time, you need a goo 5km time, for a good 5km time, you need a good 3k, and you can;t have a good 3k time without a decent 1500m time!

Once I'm back up to fitness, I'll increase the amount of speed work I do to include more training at 3k, 5k, and 10k pace. If 5km is your goal distance I'd perhaps swap 1 or 2 of your 5mi runs for a 'quality' session, be that short fast repetitions, tempo, fartlek or some hill running.

as always... Just my thoughts
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Old 27th May 08, 12:46 PM
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Sorry to butt in...

would you describe the program in the OP as quite an advanced runners workload?

also...with the fartlek training, do you guys have set distances/time for the sprints etc or do you just play it by ear?

Sorry for the newbie questions
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Old 27th May 08, 04:23 PM
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Is this Friday's 5k on the same course? or a less undulating one?

19:40 is quite an achieveable target based on your last time, though in reality 20 seconds could be made up or lost just on something as simple as what/when your breakfast was, or when you last took a dump! ... Sorry, I guess that could quite easily be mis-interpreted... what I mean is that if if you ran as hard as you physically could for two 5k's on teh same course, if everything comes together for you in terms of weather and how you feel etc, you'll smash whatever time you'd manage if you had a bad day - regardless of what your percieved effort level is!

Aim for 19mins, don't expect to manage it, but just get as close as you can ;¬) perhaps pace yourself for 19:30 and pick up the pace if you feel able?

I've been reading into training for shorter distances a LOT while i've been off, and have decided myself to concentrate on shorter distances... the general thing I've picked up (and it sounds pretty basic) is that to get a good 10km time, you need a goo 5km time, for a good 5km time, you need a good 3k, and you can;t have a good 3k time without a decent 1500m time!

Once I'm back up to fitness, I'll increase the amount of speed work I do to include more training at 3k, 5k, and 10k pace. If 5km is your goal distance I'd perhaps swap 1 or 2 of your 5mi runs for a 'quality' session, be that short fast repetitions, tempo, fartlek or some hill running.

as always... Just my thoughts
it is the same course as last time...

i'll try a 5k tempo run tomorrow to see how i'll do...

thanks
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Old 27th May 08, 04:38 PM
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Scarbib_jack... fartlek means 'speed-play' and I treat just as that... the distances etc can be as short/long as you like within reason... typical distances for me include 'the 3rd lamppost from now', 'that bush near the top of the hill', and 'up to the next corner'... it really is that simple
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Old 27th May 08, 04:57 PM
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richard., i've stopped doing loads of speework as been trying to increase milage to improve endurance...

now i've done that i'm trying to keep the same milage but do it faster...

seems to be working so i wont change it for now but will reconsider doing another speedwork session again when my regular runs stop getting faster...

i'm also going on holiday soon so having a break from running anywayz...

but thanks again and hope you get back into running alright !
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Aim for 19mins, don't expect to manage it, but just get as close as you can ;¬) perhaps pace yourself for 19:30 and pick up the pace if you feel able?
I did one better - I managed it and more!

I got 18.39 in the end - a pretty unbelivable improvement a month !!

Honestly wasn't expecting it.

Cheers for all the help and advice guys - I'm sure you had a part to play in all of this. Thanks again.
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Fantastic result revenged... aboslutely brilliant! My hat goes off to you!

..Obviously weren't trying hard enough first time round
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