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Hollywood said:
Hi Sweatshop types...

A little bit of a cheeky question...

We went to the FLM expo yesterday and they had some excellent offers on the Asics 1100 lady shoes. Shiraz wanted to buy (at least) 2 pairs for 72 pounds.... but they'd sold out :-( - they did say there would be new stock delivered later in the expo but we can't keep going back...

Is there any chance Sweatshop will be offering similar deals online? Or in their shops? Or at any other races?

Not really expecting any luck on this - I understand that you're probably just clearing out the old stock.

Cheers

H
You can ignore this one now - I cycled back to the show and bought some of the stock :)
 

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Hollywood said:
Hi Sweatshop types...

A little bit of a cheeky question...

We went to the FLM expo yesterday and they had some excellent offers on the Asics 1100 lady shoes. Shiraz wanted to buy (at least) 2 pairs for 72 pounds.... but they'd sold out :-( - they did say there would be new stock delivered later in the expo but we can't keep going back...

Is there any chance Sweatshop will be offering similar deals online? Or in their shops? Or at any other races?

Not really expecting any luck on this - I understand that you're probably just clearing out the old stock.

Cheers

H

Hi Hollywood


I only had a limited amount of 1100's, hence the reason I was doing them at such a cheap price in just the one place, what size are you, if I have 2 pairs left in the appropriate size you can have the same price.

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BoabyBoy said:
Hi Nick, thanks for getting back to me.

I currently wear Mizuno Wave Nirvana 2's for training in (motion control), I also wear Saucony Fastwitch Endurance for racing/speed work and I wear Inov8 mudclaws for hill running. I run most days, taking rest the day before a race. I have been runnning competitively for a year now. My weekly mileage is between 50 and 60. The injuries are always around the knee area. My right knee suffers from ITBS, which I am managing with compression bandages and stretching. These methods are proving successful. More recently I have been getting pain in my left knee down the inside and behind. I have to say that I never get pain during or after racing, speed work or hill training (apart from the normal thigh burn!!). only after steady, recovery or long runs. These runs are usually on a variety of surfaces from tarmac to grass. Height: 5' 9", Weight: 10st 4pnds.

The reason I wanted your advice is because I keep getting differing views from different places. I have had video gait analysis in two separate 'specialist' running shops in Edinburgh (none of them sweatshop - although I do shop there for clothes). My first post on this thread was my most recent analysis and to be fair the guy showed me running with 4 different shoes on and synchronised the videos so that each step was in time. He showed me the quick rate of pronation, and that I don't over pronate, and suggested a pair of Nike shoes (i have forgotten the name, sorry), but I wanted to have more choice when i am due to change shoe (in a few weeks). I was also told that the Nirvanas won't cause me any (more) problems but they are not the correct shoe for me, and that the ideal shoe for me was one that was more cusioned on the outside (heel strike) and more rigid on the inside, to help the rate of pronation and to stop the heel snap effect that I currently experience. The first analysis I got (when I bought the Nirvanas) the assistant told me that I was a bad over pronator. He seemed to make the judgment without looking back at the video, as he says he has seen thousands of feet and just knows by looking at them!!! I don't think I will be back there!

Anyway, what confuses me (and maybe you could answer this for me) is that I experience no pain when racing or doing speed sessions. I have never tried a long run in my racing flats, but if using them is going to mean pain free, I might just do that!!!
(my 10k times are around the 34, 35 minutes mark and I race up to half marathon, if this info is useful).

Thanks again in advance.
BoabyBoy

Hi BoabyBoy

I apologise for the delay.

It would be very difficlt for me to give you a conclusive opinion without having a good luck myself.

What I would say that most runners will find that a specialist running shop will them the correct 'type' of shoe, by the questions they ask, a physical examination, and maybe video analysis. However a very small minority of runners will have such intricate issues that it is easy to get conflicting advice. You even find this occurring with physio's and qualified biomechanists.

The current range of Nike shoes incorporates the 'free motion' principle, which relys on a very quick deformation of the outside of the heel on impact, to start to decrease the force of pronation. There is an argument that the rigidity of conventional support shoes actually accelerate the rate and angle of pronation. It certainly sounds that this may be the case for you, namely that video analysis shows that you over pronate, yet you seem to have less trouble with flexible shoes. If I had to guess, the Structure Triax would be a good choice.

If I can be of any further help then please let me know.
 

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Hollywood said:
To be fair... 2 years ago I know they let me use the treadmill - but last Summer when I was shoe shopping the assistant definitely said that the treadmill was permanently out of bounds.

I like the sound of the refit - and I'll be interested to see what you build. I can imagine that quite a lot of the time you won't need 3 treadmills - but then on Saturday mornings I can definitely see there still being a queue!

Thanks for the reply and good luck!

P.S. Please make sure you thoroughly clean (or maybe burn?) all the shoes that Greg's tried on ;-)

Hi Hollywood/Greg

I have got the guys at Teddinton to move the treadmill out of the treatment rooms and into the shop, it is now free to use any time when trialling the shoes.
 

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Nick said:
Hi Hollywood/Greg

I have got the guys at Teddinton to move the treadmill out of the treatment rooms and into the shop, it is now free to use any time when trialling the shoes.
Now that is good news. It is such a bonus to be able to try the shoes on properly.
 

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Nick

I went in last week and bought some new shoes - not any racers yet as they were very low in stock on racing shoes for normal size feet... but I did get to try on some Mizunos, Asics and Nikes and the treadmill was very available and very useful.

So thanks for the good service :)

H
 

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Hollywood said:
Nick

I went in last week and bought some new shoes - not any racers yet as they were very low in stock on racing shoes for normal size feet... but I did get to try on some Mizunos, Asics and Nikes and the treadmill was very available and very useful.

So thanks for the good service :)

H

Hi Hollywood

Thanks for the comments, you are correct we are short on racing flats at the moment, is there anything specifically you are looking for that I can help you with ?
Plans for the up grade of Teddington are well advanced, you should see something pretty innovative and spectacular by the end of the year.
 

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Hi Hollywood

Thanks for the comments, you are correct we are short on racing flats at the moment, is there anything specifically you are looking for that I can help you with ?
Plans for the up grade of Teddington are well advanced, you should see something pretty innovative and spectacular by the end of the year.
The upgrade sounds interesting - although the cheapskate in me misses the old days when the store was a mess and you had all the sale racks in the middle all the time :)

I'm looking for something light and racy specifically for 5k and 10k races. I've always bought quite "solid" shoes (even the Reebok Premier Lite's aren't really very light) and I'm now so close to 20 minutes for 5km that I want to have a go at something light (every second counts!) - but I know I've got to be careful that I'm not that light myself and that my feet are fairly wide...

So I'm thinking:
  • I'd love to try some Nike Mayfly's - but the chances are they're going to be too thin for me (and I'm definitely too late to get those lovely Union Jack ones from your website - you've sold out of most sizes!)
  • I'd like to take a look at the Asics Gel Racers - but I've never really fitted an Asics shoe so I'm not that hopeful
  • New Balance might be a good chance for a good fit - at least they do different widths - but I've no idea what light race shoes they have (yet)
  • There's quite a lot of hope in Saucony Fastwitch and Type A shoes (and my credit card is currently a sucker for anything mentioning triathlon...)
  • I'm open to ideas

I don't care how bright the shoes look - part of getting them is for positive psychology - I want to think myself quicker :)

Cheers

H (who's so committed to getting quicker that he's skipping Straggler's speed training in favour of the football tonight)
 

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Hollywood said:
The upgrade sounds interesting - although the cheapskate in me misses the old days when the store was a mess and you had all the sale racks in the middle all the time :)

I'm looking for something light and racy specifically for 5k and 10k races. I've always bought quite "solid" shoes (even the Reebok Premier Lite's aren't really very light) and I'm now so close to 20 minutes for 5km that I want to have a go at something light (every second counts!) - but I know I've got to be careful that I'm not that light myself and that my feet are fairly wide...

So I'm thinking:
  • I'd love to try some Nike Mayfly's - but the chances are they're going to be too thin for me (and I'm definitely too late to get those lovely Union Jack ones from your website - you've sold out of most sizes!)
  • I'd like to take a look at the Asics Gel Racers - but I've never really fitted an Asics shoe so I'm not that hopeful
  • New Balance might be a good chance for a good fit - at least they do different widths - but I've no idea what light race shoes they have (yet)
  • There's quite a lot of hope in Saucony Fastwitch and Type A shoes (and my credit card is currently a sucker for anything mentioning triathlon...)
  • I'm open to ideas

I don't care how bright the shoes look - part of getting them is for positive psychology - I want to think myself quicker :)

Cheers

H (who's so committed to getting quicker that he's skipping Straggler's speed training in favour of the football tonight)
Hi Hollywood

We will be just as cheap after the refit as we were 9 years ago (well in principle anyway, subject to inflation and all that), we just tried to create a nicer environment to shop in, where it is easier to find what we have, that said I do understand what you mean, there is something very homely and reassuring about your 'Aladdins Cave' type specialist environment, it feels like there is more 'soul' and that you could always find that special bargain if you look hard enough. I think that you'll like it when it is finished, more space, more stock and more analysis and assessment areas.

As for your racing shoes, you obviously have your head screwed on and know your stuff so I doubt that this is news to you. At 20 mins for 5K the benefit of a racing shoe would be questionable, alot depends on your size and weight, but for me at 13stone a racing shoe would slow me down, not speed me up. There is undoubtedly a psychological boost of putting on a racer, but the 2 oz you save per shoe is likely to be not noticeable after a mile or so, and then the muscle fatigue caused by wearing such a flexible shoe with significantly less cushioning and support could take over. My advice would be to go for a lightweight trainer like a DS Trainer, or the new Skylon/Apace, but I wouldn't put you off a racing shoe if you had your heart set on it, I would just urge you to be sensible and aware of the possible pitfalls.

An interesting choice, as you were excited by the Mayfly's, could be the new VaporFly. The launch is imminent and it is the big brother to the Mayfly, essentially it is the same principle as the Mayfly but for a little bit further and to last a little bit longer.

They should be in store in 2-3 weeks.
 

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La la la la - can't hear you. Don't you even start putting thoughts into my head about racing shoes making me slower!

Thanks for the advice. I'd not heard of the vaporfly - so sounds interesting. Hope they come in Union Jack colours too!

I'm going to race the tri in my new Nike's this weekend. Will then try some of the other options out when I find them in stock...
 

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Hollywood said:
La la la la - can't hear you. Don't you even start putting thoughts into my head about racing shoes making me slower!

Thanks for the advice. I'd not heard of the vaporfly - so sounds interesting. Hope they come in Union Jack colours too!

I'm going to race the tri in my new Nike's this weekend. Will then try some of the other options out when I find them in stock...
H, I could defo second Nick's recommendation for the DS Trainers, I have the X version and absolutely love them. I really only do the odd training session in them and then races up to 10k. First time I wore the I knocked about 40s off my 5k PB (that said the extra training could've been an influence on that too!).

Only problem as you say could be Asics not fitting you too well!
 

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Been racing in the Skylon's recently and they seem quite good - not sure how they'll hold out for the longer races though - I think that lack of upper structure might actually count against them?

Meanwhile... Nick been back to Sweatshop Teddington again and the current sale is very good :) One slightly negative comment though - I think you could do with investing some more time in training up the crew on the GPS and ipod gadgets - I know it's hard cos they're gadgets and they'll keep changing, but some of the advice I overheard was just plain wrong - e.g. advice like the Garmins only show pace and not speed! Maybe just send all of your staff out for a trial run or trial week with each device? If you do then I think they'll sell more ;-)
 

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Nick,
I recently changed from a neutral shoe to Brooks Adrenaline when I started getting pains in my knees. The shoe shop I bought them from observed that I was landing heavily on my left foot and that I overpronate on my right foot.

I've been suffering with ITBS, PFP and piriformis. Since changing shoes the pain has eased on my right side - I still get a few niggles but the pain has persisted on my left side and all my muscles are so much tighter on my left side. My therapist believes my left leg is shorter and when running I also land on my forefoot.

Are there shoes out there for me or are orthotics my best option?
 

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Hollywood said:
Been racing in the Skylon's recently and they seem quite good - not sure how they'll hold out for the longer races though - I think that lack of upper structure might actually count against them?

Meanwhile... Nick been back to Sweatshop Teddington again and the current sale is very good :) One slightly negative comment though - I think you could do with investing some more time in training up the crew on the GPS and ipod gadgets - I know it's hard cos they're gadgets and they'll keep changing, but some of the advice I overheard was just plain wrong - e.g. advice like the Garmins only show pace and not speed! Maybe just send all of your staff out for a trial run or trial week with each device? If you do then I think they'll sell more ;-)

Hey Hollywood

Sorry for the delay in replying, not ignoring the 'constructive' feedback, just been on holiday, and out of the country a couple of times.

I agree 100% with your points about training, we invest really heavily in training, there are monthly customer service courses for all staff, biomechanics courses run by Roehampton Institute espescially for our staff and all stores are expected to liase with the brands directly to arrange regular technical training about products, all staff now have to pass a product knowledge test at the end of their probationary period also. It is more difficult with technology pieces you are right, but in this day and age where we are all competing with low overhead operators on the internet, knowing the product inside out, caring for our customers and offering great advice are the tools we have to make ourselves a better option, we should use them to the best of our ability, so although it is harder, it doesn't justify it.

In fairness to that particular store they have had an incredibly high turnover of staff in the last 18 months and as good as a staff member looks at interview, you just never know until they start, the thing with technical training is that you can dedicate as much resource to it as you like, it is up to the individual however to want to learn. I will feed back your comments to the manager because he will be keen to address it.

As always I value your comments and custom.

Take care
 

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Steady Edwina said:
Nick,
I recently changed from a neutral shoe to Brooks Adrenaline when I started getting pains in my knees. The shoe shop I bought them from observed that I was landing heavily on my left foot and that I overpronate on my right foot.

I've been suffering with ITBS, PFP and piriformis. Since changing shoes the pain has eased on my right side - I still get a few niggles but the pain has persisted on my left side and all my muscles are so much tighter on my left side. My therapist believes my left leg is shorter and when running I also land on my forefoot.

Are there shoes out there for me or are orthotics my best option?
Hi Edwina

My apologies for the length of time it took me to reply to your post, you will have to excuse my bad manners, I hope I can still be of some help.

It is very difficult to give you a precise answer, firstly you have an excellent pair of shoes, well supportive and cushioned.

Unfortunately however, running is a stressfull and demanding form of exercise and there isn't always an off the shelf solution to that. It is estimated that nearly 50% of runners will get injured at least once a year, and research also tells us that despite the developments in shoe technology and comfort over the last 20 years, that the incidence of running injuries is just as high now as then, why ?, because its so damn tough !

My broad advice is that your shoe choice is a good one, I am a believer in having support in a shoe and am yet to understand how people get injured from having a shoe with more support than they need, although this is reguarly reported by runners, I cannot see a logical reason to why it would happen.

My other advice, as simplistic as it is, is to do everything gradually. Although your body is vunerable, it is also incredibly resourceful if you condition it. If by reducing your mileage back down you can find an amount of running that doesn't cause you pain, stay at that level for a while, and then gradually increase. Mileage should never be increased by more than 10% per week. This way you are conditioning your body to accept the workload.

I'm reluctant to advise orthotics, it may well be that it is the perfect solution for you, however the cost can be very high, there is no guarantee they will work and medical opinion differs wildy, you could go to 4 different people and get 4 different orthitics so I would always look for a personal recommendation with regard to where to go.

Sorry I couldn't be more help
 

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No thank your insight is useful - I have got some orthotics to complement by Brooks Adrenaline but its good to hear that you think they are a good shoe. I was wondering if I should have gone with the Mizuno Lady Wave Alchemy.

With regards to the cost of orthotics lets just say if I've been extremely fortunate in my podiatrist. I haven't run in them yet but they are comfortable to walk in.

When I return to running I'm planning on run walking again and to build up slowly. My left leg isn't actually shorter but I've had a problem in my back, which affected the alignment of my pelvis.
 
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