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For anyone that has used the Jack Daniels plans...I'd be very interested in hearing your experiences and have a few questions.

As background, I started the Q2 90-113km plan back in June. Because I was in the middle of triathlon season, I did the the two quality workouts in combination with 3 cycling workouts and 2-3 swim sessions. I didn't aim to hit the weekly km goal as I simply wouldn't have had time to and also wouldn't be able to recover with the additional cycling workouts.

Ambitiously, I set my starting week one paces so that my final marathon pace runs would be the same as that required to get a sub 3 hour marathon (4:16/km). I saw this as a "stretch goal" but also thought I just might be able to do it (I did a half marathon in 1:28:30 in March).

Training was going well and I was completing the quality workouts as planned and hitting the prescribed paces. My weekly km's fluctuated between 40 - 80km depending on how I felt each week and how much time I had for additional runs outside of triathlon training. However, I went through a patch of 3-4 weeks with limited running due to 18 days holidays combined with my "A" triathlon race (just before holidays which required a weeks taper).

Now, triathlon season is over and I can mostly concentrate on running. I have 7 weeks to my marathon but I have 17 quality workouts left. So, if I want to do all quality workouts left in the plan, I will need to do a few weeks with 3 quality workouts. Either that, or I should cut some of the workouts completely.

So, my questions to anyone who has done the Q2 plan before would be:
* Of the 4 types of quality workouts (marathon pace, intervals, tempo, long easy), which would you recommend shortening and/or cutting completely? My thinking is cutting the interval sessions because I think they have probably the least benefit compared to other 4
* Do you think its more important to do the quality workouts at the prescribed paces or get the weekly mileage in?
* I'm unsure what I should aim to run at on the actual marathon...my current marathon pace runs are done at 4:14/km and I can complete every workout at this pace but I'm usually at my limit (longest marathon pace run was 17 miles with 12 miles at marathon pace) and can't imagine doing that pace (or close to it) for a full marathon. Is this a sign that I should lower my expectations or will the taper/adrenaline significantly improve ability to run at that pace over the full distance?
* The longest marathon pace run in the plan is 17 miles with 12 miles at marathon pace...does this sufficiently prep you for doing full marathon at marathon pace? Or should I add in sessions with longer marathon pace runs?

Sorry for the long post...but would be great to hear anyone's perspective from the Daniels plan...my training seemed to be going very well and I was confident I could go the distance at sub 3 hour pace but now I feel like I won't be sufficiently prepared in time for it
 

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Hi,
I have never followed a Daniels' plan but I have the 2nd Edition, I have looked at several of the plans in depth and I use some of his ideas in my training and with the athletes I coach.

Now, triathlon season is over and I can mostly concentrate on running. I have 7 weeks to my marathon but I have 17 quality workouts left. So, if I want to do all quality workouts left in the plan, I will need to do a few weeks with 3 quality workouts. Either that, or I should cut some of the workouts completely.?
I wouldn't increase intensity (in this case, the number of Q sessions) seven weeks out.

With that said, I think that your strongest point right now must be endurance so your focus should be on pace.

So, my questions to anyone who has done the Q2 plan before would be:
* Of the 4 types of quality workouts (marathon pace, intervals, tempo, long easy), which would you recommend shortening and/or cutting completely? My thinking is cutting the interval sessions because I think they have probably the least benefit compared to other 4
I agree with you here, that the first to go should be interval sessions. With 7 weeks to go you want to work on speed but I believe tempos and strides will be enough now, without the added stress/fatigue you get from interval sessions.

* Do you think its more important to do the quality workouts at the prescribed paces or get the weekly mileage in?
Get the miles done and do the quality workouts. If you respect the prescribed paces, a tempo session shouldn't require too much recovery.
You can also add miles by extending the warm-up and cool-down in the Q sessions (within reason).

* I'm unsure what I should aim to run at on the actual marathon...my current marathon pace runs are done at 4:14/km and I can complete every workout at this pace but I'm usually at my limit (longest marathon pace run was 17 miles with 12 miles at marathon pace) and can't imagine doing that pace (or close to it) for a full marathon. Is this a sign that I should lower my expectations or will the taper/adrenaline significantly improve ability to run at that pace over the full distance?
I think that it's a very good sign that you have already been able to run 12 miles at MP, especially if you did that within a good training block i.e., on tired legs/without full recovery.
Could you run a half marathon 3 or 4 weeks before the marathon?
That would give you a very good idea of your current fitness level and it would be a very good training stimulus.

* The longest marathon pace run in the plan is 17 miles with 12 miles at marathon pace...does this sufficiently prep you for doing full marathon at marathon pace? Or should I add in sessions with longer marathon pace runs?
What are the longest runs you have done so far and the ones still to go before tapering?
 
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