[Fulmar]

Hi guys

I am starting my specific track sessions today, having as a goal for this season going under 10'00'' for the 3.000m steeplechase.

My best time is 10'04''8 and I did that some 8 years ago.
I used to do all my track sessions with spikes then.
Later I heard from a South African runner (3'42'' PB for 1.500m) that track sessions should be done without spikes. He only used them for racing.

What is your view on this?

I am going to do 10x200m tonight and I will have my spikes on but I am considering using them only on shorter reps and not, for example, on 1000m ones...

All advice welcome Thanks

 

[Dan_R]

Later I heard from a South African runner (3'42'' PB for 1.500m) that track sessions should be done without spikes. He only used them for racing.

What was his reasoning behind that Fulmar? Generally, I train on the track without spikes and race in them. This is because I feel my spikes don't give me enough cushioning and support for training.

 

[steepler]

Train in racing flats mate!
I did loads in spikes when I was training for the steeple and ended up with achilles problems.You must use spikes if your are doing water jump practice though! Not fun without the grip!

 

[Fulmar]

Thanks for your replies.

Dan, he said that it would be good to prevent injuries. He sometimes trained with Mbulaeni Mulaudzi but I am not sure what was his approach. We lost contact when the forum where we met suddenly stopped working.

If anyone wants to check his progress, I remember his first name was Francois (it's ok to tell it here as he never hid his identity on the forum - nickname there was "legolas").

Francois also never gave it all when doing reps. He said that if you could do, say, 10x400m for 70'', you should be doing them for 72'' finishing with one or two at 71'', 70'' (I have no idea what sort of times he did but probably closer to 1 minute)
This way you wouldn't be dead the next day and you could be fully recovered for the next track/hill session.

steepler, I don't do much water jump practice because I train on an old track and can't get water in it and when I tried to do it without the water I found I was very scared before jumping, the technique went and I landed badly. But definitely, not something to do without spikes

When I started training, 11 years ago, I saw all the guys doing reps with spikes (apart from the longer distances - > 1500m).
Personally I find that they help my form when training, especially on the 200s and 300s.

 

[sensible]

I also only wear spikes for racing not training, my achilles and calf muscles just can't cope with spikes for reps sessions. I'm also a steeplechaser and like you, very rarely get the chance to practice the water jump. That's what races are for!!!???

 

[steepler]

I used to drag a barrier over to the sand pit and do water jump practice into that!

 

[Fulmar]

Good idea!

 

[coachsherwood]

Many athletes will be injured this year by NOT wearing spikes in training. Racing flats are okay but then you risk double compression injuries and side slippage and knee strain training on the curves.

Spikes are fine as long as you have warmed up thoroughly (minimum 15 mins) and are accustomed to the change in running style. Try using flats for part of your session and then change to spikes.

I alao advise my athletes to wear spikes for a run over grass once a week before wearing them on the track.

If you have taken part in cross country over the winter, then you should have few problems. Try using your XC spikes in training to start with!

coachsherwood

 

[runnerman1971]

Thanks for your replies.

Dan, he said that it would be good to prevent injuries. He sometimes trained with Mbulaeni Mulaudzi but I am not sure what was his approach. We lost contact when the forum where we met suddenly stopped working.

If anyone wants to check his progress, I remember his first name was Francois (it's ok to tell it here as he never hid his identity on the forum - nickname there was "legolas").

Francois also never gave it all when doing reps. He said that if you could do, say, 10x400m for 70'', you should be doing them for 72'' finishing with one or two at 71'', 70'' (I have no idea what sort of times he did but probably closer to 1 minute)
This way you wouldn't be dead the next day and you could be fully recovered for the next track/hill session.

steepler, I don't do much water jump practice because I train on an old track and can't get water in it and when I tried to do it without the water I found I was very scared before jumping, the technique went and I landed badly. But definitely, not something to do without spikes

When I started training, 11 years ago, I saw all the guys doing reps with spikes (apart from the longer distances - > 1500m).
Personally I find that they help my form when training, especially on the 200s and 300s.

But surely you will need to run in them a bit, just to get your calves and achilles used to them, or your season will be over after the first race!

 

[Fulmar]

That's what I thought... But most people seem to disagree... Even that South African guy...

Anyway, an injury is preventing me from very fast running so I won't be putting spikes on for a while

 

[sensible]

Hope the injury clears soon?
I normally do a few strides and 200m in spikes but not much beyond that. Legs are sore after first track race but still prefer that to doing reps in spikes, especially on the track near me. Rock hard does not do it justice.

 

[Fulmar]

Thanks sensible
I changed goals for the season as I can't do the very fast running required for what I wanted (a sub 10'00'' steeplechase). I guess I will do my second marathon soon

In my first years of running I always did all reps with spikes but now, when I do it more than once a week it takes my calves ages to recover.